First Baptist Church Naples. Pastor John David Edie, who wrote the open letter to the SBC on behalf of leaders at FBC Naples, alleging racism, resigned in early December. fell short of the 85% vote required to install him as a pastor. When that man runs out of money before completion what is everyone going to say? 1-877-582-9246. . In closing, I dont desire to argue with anyone; i have nothing to gain. Now it certainly will as the debt load is unsustainable. We reached out to Dorrill, but he refused to answer any questions. It was appalling and heartbreaking to witness. Bonnett told the Daily News in an email Wednesday no revote has been scheduled. Totally the act of Satan in this issue because where the Spirit of the Lord is there is peace. We are ambassadorswith a message of good news for people who walk in a land of darkness and dwell in the land of the shadow of death (Isaiah 9:2). "My heart goes out to his family," Hayes wrote. 3000 Orange Blossom Drive, Naples, FL 34109, U.S. Ill never bother with a Church again, because this is always going to be an issue. As a side note, is the implication that if a white* person disagrees with a person of colour on the legitimacy of Woke political philosophy/identity-building/self-definition in the church, that person must necessarily be a racist? They have been in my heart and prayers since this happened. (I)t seems from social media posts that, with no investigation, some convention leaders have chosen to believe this narrative, Caudill wrote. He also didnt meet the qualifications for the job. I know that for those with kids this can be tough but if you think things will get better just remember, you cant fight city hall. We see this is the third article this month youve found worth reading. ADMISSIONS ATHLETICS BLOG CALENDAR CONTACT EMPLOYMENT FIRST NAPLES CHURCH GIVE . "It seems all cops ever see is black," the attorney continued. An economy of power, people, and indeed money which is non-ecclesiastical but highly influential within evangelical churches. I have no hate here. Garippa, who was never part of Concerned Members of FBCN, declined to comment on why he left FBC Naples. For 27 years Hayes Wicker and his family faithfully devoted their lives to Gods calling in ministry at FBCN. I left the church. Im too far away to comment on the specific allegations, but whatever the truth of each, its pretty clear that youve got at least two strong factions in church leadership, and possibly also the church as a whole, which need to have a come to Jesus moment in terms of this is how you do, and this is how you do not do, ministry., The utter disrespect shown previous Pastor Wicker is atrocious and unchristian to say the least. Have attended a lot of Southern Baptist Churches. (Hey, and I know white people who love Woke Church!) Your tax-deductible gift helps our journalists report the truth and hold Christian leaders and organizations accountable. The film makes note that Marcus Hayes was subsequently ramrodded in Crossroads Church Texas. Some of these blacks are church leaders. 11,847 were here. I spoke at length with this individual and how no reason to doubt the veracity of the individuals accounts. Naples, FL 34109 (239) 597-2233. Go. It stinks to me of Greed. Items. The actions described in this article, which by the way are just the tip of the iceberg, were unloving, ungodly, and unbecoming of pastors charged with shepherding Gods flock. He and his wife and his children love God and Gods people. Church leaders at First Baptist Church Naples have blasted a faction of their congregation, alleging "racial prejudices" contributed to a failed vote late last month to name a black man. More than 450 emails in support of Hayes were received by the church in the past four days, Dorrill said during the Nov. 2 service. I dont think that it was right how they treated him. Blake Crawford and former deacon, Mike Dolan, said they were also suspended around that time. They released a statement to the church family blaming racism for the rejection of Marcus Hayes. According to the inside source, soon after his employment at FBC Naples ended, Wicker was banned from the church campus. The FBC Naples leaders vowed to deal with this sinful cancer and added that church discipline had already started. Thats why its so harmful to the church; its born of and encourages the myopic tendencies of American evangelicalism. Who Will Pay for the SBCs Abuse Reforms Over the Long Term? Nothing new in this article. This group was engaged in an email campaign to inform church members about various concerns with Marcus Hayes. JD Greear and his woke cronies attempted a coup at FBC Naples and were thwarted on a grand level. In his quote-tweet, Hayes said Roberson was in his student ministry while he was a youth pastor in Chicago. He didnt mentioned anything in the question and answer sessions or his sermon that gave me any indication reconciling and unifying our church was even on his radar. Let us pray for you. When I look at Jesus and his disciples I do not see anything that looks as atrocious as this mess. The church did not hold a reception to honor Wickers decades of ministry, nor was Wicker permitted to address the congregation. "And, as a result of that, there have been groups who honestly feel a little disenfranchised. Their considerations related to legitimate theological, moral, and political issues. Stop making everything about race. Bunch of old white guys with too much time on their hands and too many books in their personal theology libraries. Dwight McKissic for comment, but none responded. Only love. SUNDAY, Dec 11 (7pm) @Bernie Lutchman you are so correct. 3000 Orange Blossom Drive, Naples, FL 34109, U.S. Instead he was charged with this amorphous set of wrongdoings that were later largely or totally shown to be untrue. Im not sure where they are located now, nor what they are doing, but I feel confident God is using them in His way. . Isnt that how we should judge any one persons claims, by how it squares with Scripture on a case-by-case basis? Dorrill near the end of a Nov. 2 service told the congregation that "the integrity of our election last weekend was compromised. I can tell you not a single thing mentioned above played a role in my vote. Theyve even released an open letter to the SBC with the same claim. Considering slave owners slept with slaves (even in my own ancestry), whites befriended their black help all while denying their equal rights it is possible to have friends and even spouses of other races and still have issues with bias and prejudice. Boy oh boy. Masters of Divinity in Christian Apologetics, New Orleans Baptist Theological Seminary Love for Jesus, for my fellow brother/sister and love for the truth. Sylee Gibson, an excommunicated member who works in law enforcement, added that the man chairing the FBC Naples senior pastor search team is a Florida businessman with a checkered pastNeil Dorrill. But I dont see how the spirit of God can move among those people, unless they are willing to understand what has happened and admit that what they have done is absolutely atrocious, ungodly, unjust, and even in violation of their own bylaws.. Dorrill did not elaborate on how the process was compromised, and Bonnett did not answer emailed questions about the matter. Pray for Me; Log In I certainly agree with you wholeheartedly, Grant. What does this say about Big Eva? But am I not allowed to vote based on my opinion without being called a racist? In November, just weeks after the church excommunicated 18 members, John Garippa, a longtime FBC Naples member who led two popular Bible Studies at FBC Naples, left the church. "First Baptist Church Naples is doing excellent work through disaster relief," said Wayne Briant, southwest regional catalyst for the Florida Baptist Convention. Several"inappropriate emails" were sent to Hayes' home church in North Carolina, including to his ministry assistant and his boss, the senior pastor there, "sharing and establishing that certain groups will not vote for him this weekend without a private meeting in advance to have issues of theirs addressed," Dorrill said at the Oct. 24 event. In fact, concerned church members have come forward to reveal the questions and concerns they had about the nominee. That is a perfect summary of every Christians duty in the war for the truth. On Easter weekend, Wicker said he received a text message that several chairmen wanted to meet with him about church unrest. Wicker said he tried to ignore it. Find more information about the groups that meet throughout the week by clicking below. We reached out to leaders at FBC Naples about a dozen times, seeking evidence for the racism charge, as well as comment on other issues at the church, but no one responded. With two young children at home, she dedicated her time to being a stay at home mom until 2007 when the Lord opened the door for her to be a preschool teacher at First Baptist Academy in Naples. This happened just three days after the church vote concerning Marcus Hayes. What would Jesus make of Wokeness intersectionality, and indeed, the movement for resegregation by some of those who are of the Prominent Woke, in light of Galatians 3:28? Two weeks later, Garippa started another church called The Naples Gathering. Now, church members who have been removed from membership over their opposition to the appointment of Marcus Hayes are in fear that they may be unable to witness their children graduate. The deacons vote on it, and, if they approve the recommendation, the individual then is informed. What have we done, indeed? He hopes Despite this track record, Wicker said he was shut out of the new pastor selection process. Last A lengthyOct. 24 email signed by the "group of concerned FBCN members"and obtained by the Daily News was titled "Concerns Surfacing About Compatibility with Marcus Hayes." And on December 31, Wicker said the health insurance provided by the church was cut off for him and his wife, who has a serious heart condition. This models anything but love and mocks justice. Havent hurt enough yet. One screenshot of a tweet included in the email centers around the fatal shooting of a black security guard by a white police officer in suburban Chicago last year. But what was concluded was that all things were not fair nor were they right. Our mission as soldiers is to overthrow false ideas. On May 28, Caudill said the church placed him on disciplinary suspension from the deacon board and the senior pastor search team. Takeaway: So much for a democracy. 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Last fall, First Baptist Church (FBC) Naplesa prominent Southern Baptist megachurch in southwest Floridamade national headlines for rejecting an African American pastoral candidate because of some alleged racist members. Would you believe that not a single member of the church has reached out to me in love and asked to hear my side of the events. Instead, Ericksen said Hayes has no experience as a head pastor and said that his political views wouldn't go along with a conservative church. However, no evidence of racism has yet been produced. It only becomes a problem if you think my worth is different because of it. The final vote was 81 percent in favor and 19 percent against. Racial prejudice a factor in rejection of black pastor, read the headline of a piece published in the Baptist Standard. To make matters worse, FBC Naples is implementing church discipline procedures which are in direct violation to those set forth by Jesus in Matthew 18. And if He wanted us all to be the same, He wouldve made us the same. I am responding simply to share that theres another side the story and I wish I/we had an opportunity to share such a story without fear of legal action (thats right, the church has threatened legal action against me as well as threatened that if I say anything at all negative about the church they will trespass me prevent me from dropping off and picking up my kids at First Baptist Academy. But more importantly, Ericksen said, members feel their voice isn't being heard by church leaders. This is a demonstration of holding a form of godliness, but having denied the power thereof. And Paul goes on to say So, Turn away from these, also. The Marcus Hayes vote was used to cry wolf. He shared some examples, including one from a woman who said the church had failed to check Hayes' Twitter account and called him a "radical leftist. about the pastoral transition process at the church, a process which has descended This is nothing new. Roku Live Streaming, Copyright 2023 ITP Productions, Inc. dba ChristianWorldMedia.com, All Rights Reserved, Welcome to First Naples! Read the letter from the church to the Southern Baptist Convention, question and answer session with Hayes and his wife, Read the letter from First Baptist to church members regarding voting results, fatal shooting of a black security guard by a white police officer, Police release name of cop who killed black security guard who was corralling a gunman, Your California Privacy Rights/Privacy Policy. to affirm of Wickers intended replacement, Marcs Hayes. Just like there are women who are pro-Gloria Steinem feminists, and there are women who are not fans of Gloria, black people are capable of holding differing opinions too. This is a warning to all Southern Baptists. FBC Naples, Floridas longtime senior pastor Hayes Wicker announced his retirement from pastoring the church in January 2019. Budget Crisis at FBC Naples? Well Hello!!! Hayes, a black man married to a white woman, Caudill said no one replied to his letter. You would call Martin Luther King an Uncle Tom Im sure. Colson thought so highly of an oath of integrity that Wicker had written that Colson included the oath in his landmark book,The Body. What Bible verse says that it is a good idea to borrow money to make your church building bigger and more fancy? The campaign, he said in an email to the Daily News, consisted of social media, texting, phone calls and a series of emails. Just fill out this form and let us know your needs. The shooting drew national headlines, outrage and questions about whether race factored into the officers decision to open fire. This ban prevented him from seeing his granddaughter perform in a play being put on at the churchs school, First Baptist Academy. Also, any comments with profanity, name-calling, and/or a nasty tone will be deleted. In the tweet, the attorney, Lee Merritt, wrote in part that investigators claim "all the shooter saw was black" and said that was "exactly the problem.". their sin. Wicker said in late October, when FBC Naples excommunicated the 18 members, it also stopped paying him his severance. close to Wicker, contacted Pulpit & Pen with disturbing details I had the privilege of knowing this young man! Doesnt matter what denomination or race you are, all of this drama is toxic on a nuclear level for the body and spirit and surely the work of Satan himself. United States ", Two members of the counting committee, he said, have admitted to leaking confidential early voting results from Saturday night to a lay leader in the church "who then used that information, we believe, to compromise the process.". And we are soldierscharged with pulling down ideological strongholds and casting down the lies and deception spawned by the forces of evil (2 Corinthians 10:35; 2 Timothy 2:34). The message at FBCN is clear: get along or get out. is a pastoral search committee? action has been taken to enact church discipline on the dissenters because of I believe Hayes was rejected because of racism. into an embarrassing public debacle. But a question and answer session with Hayes and his wife held by the church on Oct. 24 offers some glimpses into the opposition that built against the prospective new senior pastor and the apparent rift between church leadership and some in the congregation. Give a gift of $30 or more to The Roys Report this month, and you will receive a copy of "Escaping the Maze of Spiritual Abuse" by Dr. Lisa Oakley and Justin Humphreys. We also contacted Marcus Hayes and Biltmore Church about the alleged emails but they declined to comment. You obviously didnt pay attention to everything in that article, only the points you chose to focus on on. This man and his family cannot set foot onto church property, he will never again be able to address a congregation where so many hold him in the highest of esteem. Most church experiences, when it comes to a new Senior Pastor, are just that, a celebration and a time of looking forward with hope and optimism to what God has for the future. Check the upcoming First Baptist Church - Naples schedule for concerts, shows, and events in 2023-2024 to find the best tickets for all events at First Baptist Church - Naples. The Roys Report seeks to foster thoughtful and respectful dialogue. Regardless of who is at fault for what, this is NOT what Church should be. After years of delay, Southern Baptists passed a series of reforms in 2022 aimed at addressing abuse in the nations largest Protestant, A former youth pastor at First Baptist Church (FBC) of Bentonville, Arkansas, has accepted a plea deal for his victimization of children, Several churches deemed not in friendly cooperation with the Southern Baptist Convention (SBC) have responded to action taken by the SBC Executive. By Jessica Pigg Last updated Nov 2, 2021 NAPLES Since Alan Brumback's call as lead pastor and his arrival in mid-September, First Baptist Church in Naples has seen baptismal waters stirred every weekend, having celebrated 42 baptisms in October and already scheduling another 15 in November. the group wrote. Concerned Members of FBCN says the petition received 800 signatures. Wicker, a former President of the Florida Baptist Convention and the SBC Pastors Conference, was such a high-profile leader and fundraiser for Baptist causes that his retirement was covered by Baptist Press, which reported the following on February 4th: In mid-January, Wicker, 68, Exactly right. Of course, it is obvious you have a vested interest in attacking those putting out the facts. I am saying that, as I have countless experiences of colorblind people saying or doing insensitive, offensive things because they forgot Im black. emails from the accused church members reveal that dissenters were We have known Hayes & his family as good Christian people etc.for over 25 years. Looking for past sermons? It seems rather patronizing to minorities to assert that every minority persons ideas must be legitimate because the propounder is of a certain colour. But key conferences and key organizations had a vested interest in sidestepping orthodoxy and demonizing any who pointed that out. JUST STOP THE HATE. Also concerning to the group was the fact that Marcus Hayes didnt respond to a letter Concerned Members of FBCN had sent him a week earlier, outlining their issues at the church. He said the church was hopeful that Hayes would allow his name to be reconsidered as the church's next senior pastor or interim pastor. Church members are upset over the treatment of the retiring pastor who served 27 years at FBC Naples FBC Naples, Florida's longtime senior pastor Hayes Wicker announced his retirement from pastoring the church in January 2019. However, leaked Sad state of affairs. For the church's leadership, "it exposed a sickness in what we characterize as a cancer within our fellowship," he continued in the letter, which also asked for forgiveness from Hayes and his wife and "any other person who has been offended, hurt, or damaged by the outcome" of the vote. The leadership structure for the past 500 years in pretty much all of our churches is just refurbished Roman Catholicism. Garippa said The Naples Gathering has 350 to 400 people attending, 85-percent of whom are former FBC Naples members. It may not be sorted out down here but everyone has to give an account, and especially those in leadership positions of the Lords Church for whom He died. All of the events need to be understood in the context of the overriding event and the church governance that permitted this to happen. Second, Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. encouraged color blindness. By circumventing the clear teachings of Matthew 18:15-17 regarding church discipline, this process showcases glaring problems with approaches to discipline that rely entirely on church oligarchies. To donate, click here. I attended the Saturday evening service with Dr.Marcus Hayes. "Is that what the gospel is all about?". One Denomination that claims to hold the Christian faith to avoid is the Southern Baptist Churces and their affiliations. Following worship services on December 7 and 8, receptions were held to honor Edies six years at the church. Ready to start serving? He friended, then de-friended and blocked my wife on social media. The dissenters, and their surrogates, have done a good job (whether they realize it or not) of explaining why Hayes was rejected and much of it is deeply racially tinged, including: Hayes rejection of the notion of racial colorblindness, Hayes support of Eric Masons book Woke Church and intersectionality, Hayes support of slavery reparations for descendants of African American slaves, and Hayes alleged statements in support of more black leadership in SBC member organizations. When you see me, you will see I am a black woman. Wicker spent 27 years as pastor of First Baptist Church of Naples. {I realize, Im using the word black rather than African American. I personally do not care for the term African American, and there are black people who dislike it more than I do.} The refusal to release specific documents to any donating member, also a violation of not only the by-laws (which was the same verbiage as the state law) but also the state of Florida Not-for-profit Compliance Act and the IRS which governs their 501(c)(3) status. Notice carefully: Our task as ambassadors is to bring good news to people. "We all realize that the year of 2019 has been very difficult in the life of our church," Dorrill said. I lived it. While methods may change, our commitment to Biblical doctrine is a non-negotiable. Carla, thanks to my excommunicated status, I guess you could call me one of the dissenters and racists. Get directions, reviews and information for First Baptist Church - Naples in Naples, FL. Grateful that FBCN is moving toward amputating the racists, tweeted Rev. FBA is a discipleship school dedicated to preparing the next generation to serve in God's Kingdom. Yet despite all thats happened, Wicker said, I pray people would not use this to come against megachurches or seeing all committees as bad.. Great! As managing editor of the former Florida Baptist Witness (state paper) I was witness to many of Hayes Wickers years of fruitful ministry. ", Church officials, however, have been largely mum on the details of the alleged campaign and racism. Those involved either need to find a way to recover from this, not just cover it up, or decide to step aside for the greater good. However, the email also expressed concerns about Hayes ability to reconcile the deeply divided church. It is time for the SBC to do what they should have done first, before concluding who was right: Shine the light, Brothers, shine the light in here. However, Mancini added that the situation at FBC Naples was not typical but did not want to comment on the unique circumstances at the church. Despite his disagreement with the process, Wicker said he submitted to an exit agreement offered by the church, which included a non-disclosure clause. The pastor was amazing, the atmosphere electrifying, we had fallen in love with the pastor. FBCNaples | Naples FL ", Dorrill said there had been "a concerted campaign of misinformation filled with destructive and divisive content." Wicker and his wife then returned a Chrysler minivan they had been given years before by a church member, and his church-leased vehicle was repossessed. Am I not allowed as a deacon and 15+ year member of the church to ask questions about leaders who in my opinion have lied and deceived the church for political gain? I read about this over at The Wartburg Watch. Wicker called the allegations appalling., We reached out to Boone, specifically asking about the allegations mentioned in the video, but he did not respond. Marcus Hayes based upon prejudice, our church loves all people of all colors equally," Stearns wrote. I was shocked that they would make this immediate, Wicker said. Voicemails left for Hayes this week were not returned, and Neil Dorrill, chairman of the pastoral search team, referred questions to Bonnett. Similarly, an article in The Grio asked, Did a Florida church not hire a pastor because he was Black? And Christianity Today stated, Black Pastor Candidate Withdraws After Controversial Vote at SBC Megachurch.. I voted no to Mr. Hayes for two reasons. Jemel Roberson was in my student ministry while I was a youth pastor in Chicago. It was all being done vindictively and not in a righteous, godly manner., Concerned families gravitated to the Caudills, who had served in SBC churches for over 50 years. I dont think you mean ill will, but just want to make you aware of how poorly comments like that tend to land. FBC Napless accusations and treatment of Pastor Wicker upset dozens of church members. It is not necessarily the opinion of any entity by which I am employed, any church at which I am a member, any church which I attend, or the educational institution at which I am enrolled. Enough racists voted against the pastor. First Naples glorifies God by being a multigenerational, multiethnic, multiplying church. Our Vision. Hayes Wicker was the pastor of First Baptist Church of Naples (Florida) for 27 years. More about this ministry: Welcome to First Naples! The Story Of First Baptist Church Naples is disturbing and alarming, but it is meant to be an inspiration. First, there are blacks who strenuously object to books like Woke Church, as well as intersectionality, and reparations for slavery. To that point, no group had met with Hayes or the committee privately, Dorrill continued, before adding to applause from those gathered at the Q&A session: "This will continue to be a transparent search. First Baptist Naples has a byzantine process that allows the pastoral staff to recommend to the deacons the expulsion of a member. SATURDAY, Dec 10 (4pm) NO RESERVATIONS AVAILABLE. Give a gift of $30 or more to The Roys Report this month, and you will receive Escaping the Maze of Spiritual Abuse by Dr. Lisa Oakley and Justin Humphreys. Christians should model justice and love to the world. This sequence of events raised many questions for me and my wife, Caudill said. "Unfortunately our church familys business has become fodder for spotlight-seeking bloggers and others who are commenting about Christians whom they do not know personally, and slandering a church that they know little about," Sonya Stearns, a member of the church, said in an email to the Daily News. Rather than bringing members who are accused of sin before the church body for examination, members are being removed from the church rolls through actions taken directly by deacons and pastoral staff without a vote of the church body. The day after excommunicating the 18 members, FBC Naples lay leadership and pastoral staff sent an open letter to the SBC, accusing some who didnt vote for Hayes, whos a member of the SBC Executive Committee, of racism. First Baptist Church Naples, she said,"is not a racist church by any stretch of the imagination. Publisher Log-in Edie, the church's executive pastor, however, called Hayes "one of the most qualified men in Southern Baptist life to be a Senior Pastor of any church in this country.". First Naples glorifies God by being a multigenerational, multiethnic, multiplying church, that raises up the next generation of disciple makers, . Why its so harmful to the church placed him on disciplinary suspension from the deacon board and the pastor. 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